
There seems some good knowledge on here regarding recording techniques ... I run my own studio, and one of the aspects I find most difficult is achieving a mix that will sound good on the 'typical' hi-fi system.
I read recently about something that Q used to do, play the final mix on a small radio that someone might listen to.
I can produce a great sounding mix on my monitors, but when I try it on some alternative speaker systems / hi-fi I have it doesn't sound as good, or the bass isn't as responsive etc. I find it hard to get the balance right between it sounding good both on the monitors, and on typical systems people might play it back on.
Does anybody have any advice on how I can produce a better all round mix ? Maybe I just need better monitors ? Or maybe I could only get the best results if I had the mix done at a more established top line studio, by a more experienced engineer ?
Howard.

what is the difference between mixing and mastering? I'm confused! Must be the cynic in me, but I associate mastering with the application of EQ and dynamic compression, both evil if overdone! Is there more to mastering than this? If the masterer is working with a 2-ch mixdown then he obviously isn't going to have anywhere near as much flexibility in tweaking things that is possible at the mixing stage. Also, what is the advantage of having a different person do the mastering to the mixing? If you are able to nail mixing then would you not be able to nail mastering too?

There is Richard "Bunky" Bell (that's me)
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Easy mistake to make as sometimes the name thingy doesn't show the complete name.
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On mixing:
I symapthize with you on this.
Finding a good mix that will work in all situations is tough.
I mix with a combo of system with sub
then bypass sub.
and check it all in the headphones.
Your room is important.
Not to lively or reflective, not to dead.
Bass traps in corners is a good idea if your room is small but don't overkill it.
Determine who your audience will be.
Keep in mind the majority of folks either listen in their cars or with cheap headphones on a personal audio device as they travel on a bus.
I would say it's the minority that actually sit down at a tricked out audio setup and listen critically to the entire CD anymore.
But that is the environment to shoot for.
Trial and error and be prepared for some disappointments.
That's my experience but there's been some good advice in a lot of the responses.
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If you can find them, buy yourself a pair of Auratone 5C single driver monitors. They're out of production, but you might find some on e-Bay. I swear by these for referencing my mixes. If you can't seem to locate any, then yes, do listen to your mixes on a variety of playback systems, including your car stereo or through some crappy television speakers. I have my main mix routed through an old Toshiba television in my studio and I listen to every mix through it. Of course, you're going to hear variations on every system, so don't let that drive you nuts. And don't 'over-tweak' your mix and overreact to nuances that you hear on one playback system compared to the next. You will know when you come to a place in your mix where you feel good about it. And ALWAYS feel good about your initial mix prior to the mastering stage. Don't ever rely on the mastering stage of the project to correct issues with a mix. Too many engineers get sloppy with a mix thinking the mastering stage will 'magically' pull out subtleties in the mix that they can't achieve in the initial mix.
I believe I have rambled thoroughly. Let me know if you have any questions.
Rick

Great stuff Rick. Thanks!

... thanks for the info Rick. It seems a few people are advising playing the mix through some low power speakers, I'm going to give that a go. It's funny you should mention the mastering stage, because just before I read your reply I'd asked a similar question to Chris. I was curious to know advice about how you know that a mix is ready for the mastering process, ie do you get it as close as possible to the finished sound you want, or should you hold off on Eq etc.
Thanks,
Howard.

A bit off topic, sorry, but I was wondering what software/hardware you use? I'm thinking about getting back into home recording after a 6 year absence. My brother had a fab little setup: a PC-based system with Audigy 192/24 soundcard running Cakewalk Guitar Tracks. Man I loved that software, intuitively simple to use and a GUI that actually looked like a mixing deck. My computer is a G5 1.6GHz PowerMac running OS 10.3.9, so Cakewalk is ruled out unfortunately. My budget is tight, and I'd rather not need to invest in any additional hardware if I can help it. PS - I do have a laptop PC running Windows XP so I suppose I could put Cakewalk on that. Not sure if the OEM soundcard in my laptop would be up to much though. From what I gather the soundcard supplied as standard in Macs are not too bad, 48kHz/24bit is adequate for personal / non-serious use I guess...
Back to the topic, I'm no expert on audio, but as the others have rightly said, room acoustics have a massive impact, as does speaker placement (this doesn't just affect tonal balance but also imaging, e.g. place them too far apart and you'll be fooled into panning sounds too centrally, while place them too close together and you'll be fooled into panning sounds too directionally), and obviously the frequency response of the speakers themselves. Best starting place, like others have said, is to get really accustomed to the monitors you are using by playing a familiar repetoire of reference songs that you know sound good on a variety of systems.

Hi Richard,
I've used quite a range of different equipment in the past. In terms of software, I'm using Cubase right now on a PC setup and it serves me well. For a Mac setup then there's Logic Pro. Then of course there's Protools which is available for PC and Mac. I guess Protools has become somewhat of an industry standard. I have thought about switching to a Protools setup, and may do at some stage. The last time I looked it was out of my budget, but things may have changed in terms of what is available. I'm not sure how Protools performs on a PC, because people I know who use it have a Mac setup.
You need as much processing power as you can get from your computer, so you may need to upgrade hardware. If you're planning on putting together 24 track mixes with multi effects for example, then you'll need a computer capable of coping with that. Sometimes it can be worthwile to invest in a new Pc / Mac with the processing power and a better soundcard, rather than try to upgrade an existing machine.
Thanks for the advice on mixing - I hadn't really been thinking about the room I was in too much when mixing, although I have actually done a course on acoustics including rooms so I should have put the two together ! I guess you can be so focussed on the mix you don't think of other aspects which could effect it.
As an aside, there are ways you can multi track record which don't involve a computer. I've used a stand alone Boss BR-1180 digital studio before, and they are good especially if you like manual faders. Plus you can get this model with a Cd burner.
Also, many synths have powerful sequencers in as I'm sure you know - I sometimes sequence some music this way first before then loading that into a software program. Check out a keyboard called the 'Roland Fantom G' - I don't have one yet but am hoping to own one !
Cheers,
Howard.

I also have a good old-fashioned recording setup, a TEAC 4-Track 15-ips Reel-to-Reel with accompanying mixing desk http://reel2reeltexas.com/vinTeacModel23440.jpg . Gives that unbeatable warm vintage sound, but the main advantage for me of using computer software is how much easier it is to "fix" things, - makes life a LOT easier for me! ......

Not that I'm a huge fan of Mac... (I've lost more music scores through Encore over a Mac OS than I care to count!), but Cakewalk Audio Pro seems to be the way to go. I've used it just editing Finale files. (No Kidding!).
You're right about the GUI on Cakewalk. It's a simple thing. I haven't done that in about six years-but if I did, it would be a breeze.
Howard---check it out!
T


CB
you've opened a real can of worms here.
First thing you need to do is make sure you are situated correctly in front of your speakers. Ideally there is space between the back of your speakers and the wall. I seem to remember that speakers sit about 50-50 between your ears and the wall.
Next find your sweet spot. Your head should be at the tip of an isosoles triangle at the same height as the speakers. That's the only place you will great true stereo imaging.
If the room you are in has a lot of reflective surfaces (windows, hardwood floors, wood/drywall etc) if you are not in exactly the correct spot you will get fooled by the acoustics in your room. There are a lot of companies that sell foam to help deaden the reflections. This is why "near-field" monitoring is the best way to go if you don't have a great room to work in.
Next thing to consider is bass traps. If you have a long rectangular room like I do you will find that the bass is louder towards the back of the room.
mixing itself is a much longer issue than can be expressed in one blog. However, if you take a record that sounds great wherever you play it, that you like, play that back through your recording setup and use that to compare your mixes.
It's really trial and error for the most part.
Remember, the records you buy have all been mastered so that it pops on the radio.
Unless you have a plugin mastering tool you won't be able to get your mixes to sound like a record.
And yes, it is true. Q and Bruce Swedien used Auratones and then NS10's to check their mixes with.
Good luck.

Thanks for the advice Chris. It's funny because I hadn't been focussing on the room acoustics, speaker distance and so on - I'd been to carried away with just what was coming out of the speakers ! I'm certainly going to do some experimenting with all those parameters now, and see what I can learn.
Actually mastering is another area I'd like to improve my knowledge / skills on. I do my own mastering just now, but something I don't really understand is how do you know when a mix is ready for mastering ? Are there any tricks in this area, for example should you hold back on increasing Eq too much at the mixing stage, or get the mix as close as you can to how you would like the finished product to be ?
I'm not quite ready to send my final mix to Humberto Gatica just yet : ) but if I
did send something to be mastered externally, I guess it would need to be in an appropriate state. I guess sometimes the person doing the Mastering may want to remix it first ?
Thanks again for the advice,
Howard.

CB
Every engineer I have ever worked with when going into an unfamiliar room would put on a CD as a reference to find out what the room was doing.

use your hifi to mix through. A lot of mixers use nearfields that are NOT flat DC to light for just that reason. Also mix at the level you intend the music to be played at. Due to the Fletcher -Munson curve, it takes a lot more bass and top end to make a quiet playback punchy, but if you eq for that and play back loud, it will boom and the highs will rip your head off. Ever notice how some rocker's albums sound like all midrange, that's 'cause they mix realy loud... Go back & forth between a few sets of speakers and use different playback levels to get the balance you want. As a mixer you have a bunch of tools to use to make your mix sound good..level,panning,EQ,reverb/delay, gain reduction devices(comps/limiters/gates & keying devices), each can bring something to the mix. Some guys overdo that stuff and it can have the same effect as too much salt or hot sauce in a recipe. Listed below is a complete discography of ALL of MY triple platinum hits:

Joe, loved that last line. Made me laugh good.
Back in the day...(he said scratching his silver beard)
after about an hour of high volume our ears would start to fatigue real bad and up would go the upper mids and highs.
Started using time-aligned monitors like Tannoy or Urei to help. However the best help was to turn it down a bit.
We'd get a few more hours of critical listening in before we started getting foggy (that was foggy, not fogy).
I also agree about the amount of effects and eq, a little goes a long way and with things like reverb after a few hours you can't hear it anymore and the danger becomes overdoing it.
So Howard if you're in your own place take frequent large breaks.
If you're renting a space, rent for short sessions of 3 or 4 hours max with a small break midway in.
Again just stuff I've picked up along the way.
Of course Howard you know now you're going to have to post some samples of your finished product for us to hear.
Bunky now hosts "Back From The Bin" a podcast of undetermined
format. Run now and SUBSCRIBE.
http://www.backfromthebin.blogspot.com

Thx Howard, Chris and Joe, as i enjoy reading about recording techniques quite a lot.
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